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SEEN AND HEARD INTERVIEW
 
  
  
   
     
  
 
 The Sunday Times recently described the Edinburgh 
International Festival as a “jewel in the nation’s artistic crown”. Who could 
disagree? Now well into its seventh decade the International Festival and its 
companions continue to grow and look to be in spectacular health. From the looks 
of the latest programme, released in March, the festival seems to be defying 
many of the economic trends that have bedevilled other major arts organisations. 
Much of the credit for that must go to EIF Director, Jonathan Mills. 2010 is the 
fourth festival that Mills has planned and he met me in his office, high above 
Edinburgh’s Old Town, to discuss some of the ideas and themes that have gone 
into it.
  
   
  
  
  
  Edinburgh International Festival 2010:
   
   
  Festival Director Jonathan Mills in conversation with Simon Thompson (SRT)
 
   
Jonathan Mills - Picture © Mark Hamilton
 
Mills’ appointment surprised many when it was announced in 2006 but the success 
of his recent festivals has silenced criticism. Last year’s EIF was not only 
delivered within budget but saw an increase of 7% in earned income and attracted 
£2.58 million in box office sales with nearly 400,000 tickets sold throughout 
the three weeks of events. When I began by asking Mills what role he felt the 
Edinburgh International Festival has to play in the cultural world of the 21st 
century, it was clear that he has a strong sense of fulfilling an important role 
that began long ago.
“The broad inspiration that I’m following is to have a public conversation with 
people as to what an international festival might mean in today’s world. When 
this festival came along in 1947 it fulfilled a very intense but very specific 
need. Europe was reeling from the after-effects of a shocking war, from the 
lunacy of atrocities like Leningrad and Auschwitz, and therefore it was very 
clear what a festival of the arts might do in terms of repairing our 
understanding of different cultures within Europe and connecting us to other 
parts of Europe, and appealing more generally to the better angels of our souls. 
But the world is very different today and we’re not fighting, at least in 
Europe, a devastating global war. It’s our privilege to live in a relatively 
peaceful and prosperous part of the world, and therefore I was wondering out 
loud what an international festival might mean to Europeans in today’s world as 
we confront so many challenges of identity, diversity, immigration – challenges 
of our place in the world in the very broadest sense. And I’m beginning to argue 
through these programmes that there is as much importance behind an 
international festival today as there was in 1947. Today we owe it to that 
legacy and its achievements not to take for granted what we have received from 
the past. In today’s world there is just as much for us to argue about as there 
might have been in 1947.”
One of the things that has made Mills’ tenure so distinctive from that of his 
predecessor Brian McMaster is his determination to organise his festivals around 
themes: past themes include Words and Music (2007), Artists Without Borders 
(2008) and Enlightenments (2009). I asked him why the use of themes was so 
important to him. “What I’m trying to do with the festivals I have done to date 
is to shift the centre of gravity away from an automatic assumption that they 
will be exclusively or predominantly European. That’s not to suggest that 
Edinburgh will ever, on one level, be other than a European festival, by virtue 
of the fact that it’s in Europe, but I’m suggesting that it can serve as an 
important component of cultural understanding and exchange within the UK and 
Europe more generally and can reach out to cultures that are far beyond the 
geography of Europe itself. So this year is part of a continuum or cycle of 
works that I am undertaking which very gradually shifts our centre of gravity 
away from an automatic reliance on Europe, and I hope that we will have alighted 
on cultures that are far beyond our European sensibility and philosophy in order 
to give us a broader understanding of the human condition. The challenges that 
we face here in the UK reverberate in other parts of the world too, just as the 
challenges and pressures that other parts of the world experience reverberate 
here.
“So I think that there is a really important role for this strange entity that 
we call in international festival because I think that it is both a convenient 
and intense way of people gaining a greater understanding of ideas, attitudes 
and philosophies that are remote from their own. To do this through the arts is 
a rare privilege.”
Big aims, then, but wouldn’t all of this apply just as well to the Melbourne 
Festival, which Mills used to direct, or is there something special about 
Edinburgh? “Edinburgh is a city that is very motivated by a sense of its own 
philosophy and role in the development of contemporary innovations, whether that 
is Charles Darwin, Adam Smith or David Hume. There is a very strong sense of 
intellectual and artistic traditions here which I’m seeking to tap into. I think 
a thematic approach is appropriate in terms of the intellectual, artistic, 
scientific and economic provenance of this city and its institutions, its 
galleries, its public spaces and so forth. But also I think it’s a very easy way 
of making it clear that what you’re doing is not a one-off series of events but 
is in fact an argument in favour of the Festival itself. I would argue 
that there is a difference between a theatre season or an orchestral 
subscription season and a Festival. In choosing a different journey to pursue 
every year I hope that we encourage people to think about that.”
Excitingly, Mills suggests that the Festivals he has programmed are part of a 
cycle which is building towards a culmination. He has recently extended his 
contract so that he will still be in the job for the 2012 Festival when the 
world’s biggest arts festival will run just up the road from the world’s biggest 
sports festival, the London Olympics. But he’s remaining tight-lipped about what 
that culmination might be. “Watch this space”, he tells me.
This year’s theme, New Worlds, takes us in perhaps the most obvious way so far 
away from a focus on Europe and towards the far off. What inspired him to put 
together the programme this year? “The very deepest motivation behind this 
programme is that it is part of a continuum whereby we are quite deliberately 
shifting our centre of gravity away from the idea that this festival is 
automatically a European festival. In doing that, particularly in the geographic 
focus of this year, we are putting a frame around a very different region of the 
world, places with very different histories from our own in Europe, places that 
share a very curious history with Europe, particularly in the colonial 
dimension. Examining these places through the arts can illuminate our view of 
this small planet.”
So how does this year’s theme of New Worlds play out in practice? “At the same 
time, while I have attempted to argue that this Festival need not be so 
Eurocentric, I haven’t attempted to do so in a nationalistic way by saying, for 
example, ‘This year we’re focusing on China, next year on or Iceland or 
Romania.’ Instead I’ve tried to construct a more multi-faceted approach to the 
theme underpinning each festival journey. This year I’ve said that I’m 
interested in looking at a particular region, not a single country, and an idea 
of how that relationship between worlds might express itself from both 
positions.”
This theme allows Mills to showcase a number of extraordinary talents from the 
New World, such as the Minnesota and Cleveland Orchestras from the US, or the 
Sydney Symphony Orchestra from Australia, not to mention some exciting dance 
groups from Brazil, San Francisco and Samoa/New Zealand. However it is in the 
works chosen that the theme becomes most interesting. The most benevolent look 
at the new world from the old is probably Puccini’s Faniculla del West, 
though the spectre of colonialism raises its head in works like Purcell’s 
Indian Queen. Hemmingway gives us the reverse perspective in Elevator 
Repair Service’s theatrical take on The Sun Also Rises, while a group 
of modern American musical legends give a new take on Sophocles in The 
Gospel at Colonus. Mills singles out Carl Heinrich Graun’s opera 
Montezuma as a good example: “It’s a very European treatment of an opera 
about a very challenging moment in European and Mexican history, that of the 
clash of civilizations between colonial Spain and vanquished Mexico, through the 
interpretation of an 18th Century German composer and his librettist, 
Frederick the Great of Prussia, who clearly had his own motivation in thinking 
about the context in which his libretto would be written and understood. In 
inviting Claudio Valdés Kuri, a very distinguished young Mexican director, to 
engage with this project, I was very conscious that he would bring an entirely 
different set of attributes and attitudes to bear on this production. You have a 
cast that is half European and half Mexican, and an ensemble of European 
instruments performed under the direction of an Argentinean Baroque specialist, 
Gabriele Garrido. Embedded in the circumstances of the performance is a whole 
history of individual ideas, attitudes and histories that can amplify and 
challenge the story itself. So I’m actively looking for various illustrations 
and reverberations about the theme without setting it in stone too quickly too 
soon.
“Another example of that is the National Theatre of Scotland’s production of 
Caledonia, a new work by Alistair Beaton, which explores a very particular 
period of Scottish History, the Darien Scheme. A buccaneer, charlatan investor 
who would have made Bernie Madoff look tame, raised an extraordinary amount of 
money to establish a Scottish colony near present-day Panama. It was a disaster, 
falling victim to lack of resources, appalling personal tragedy and terrible bad 
luck, and it ended in disease, famine and grotesque underestimation of the needs 
for establishing the colony. Everyone lost their money and, perhaps in the 
ultimate twist of irony, it was a contributing factor to the establishment of 
the Royal Bank of Scotland.”
A further distinctive aspect of Mills’ festivals is that under his tenure 
Edinburgh is seeing a lot more new work, either new commissions or work that has 
been planned in conjunction with overseas organisations.  Caledonia is 
one example, as is Brett Dean’s new opera Bliss which opened last month 
in Sydney. However, when I ask him about the risks involved in bringing unseen 
work to Edinburgh, he turns the question around: “What risks are there when you 
take no risks? If everything is all the same all the time then that in itself 
becomes a risk. Festivals ought not so much to be preoccupied with the risk of 
one show and the safety of another, but in a very coherent, consistent way to 
develop a compelling narrative for why they are taking a particular course of 
action. If you do that then the question of an individual risk here or there is 
a secondary concern to how a particular project is contributing to a public 
conversation.”
Under Mills’ tenure the festival has continued to bring world class musicians 
and ensembles to Edinburgh. Guest orchestras this year include the Russian 
National, Finnish Radio Symphony and Royal Concertgebouw orchestras, while 
soloists like Simon Keenlyside and Steven Osborne and groups like the Pavel Haas 
Quartet play in the smaller venue of the Queen’s Hall. I ask Mills how he 
manages to bring such stellar line-ups year after year: “It’s always 
challenging, but artists across the world have a strong ambition to participate 
in the Edinburgh Festival and that helps a lot. That’s more than half the battle 
won in terms of winning people’s emotional connection. It’s the same for every 
artist in every genre in the festival. People want to be part of this festival 
because they’ve heard about it, they’ve experienced it, it’s of a scale that 
makes people excited. Also because of the audiences that it draws from across 
the world and the attention it is given by various media. But I would also like 
to think that it’s the legacy of the past: the fact that during the hardships of 
1947 people still found their way to this festival and they recognised that 
something very vital and essential was going on, something that stood in stark 
contrast to the experiences of the previous five or six years. This festival was 
a beacon of optimism at a time when our world seemed sorely lacking in any 
optimism for its future.”
Ambitions of this scale clearly cost money, and Mills has said plainly that this 
year’s festival is on a secure financial footing, so I asked him how the recent 
credit crunch and recession have affected the institution. “That’s not a 
question that’s easy to answer. We’re on the verge of knowing a lot more about 
precisely those issues, but at the moment that is territory we are just entering 
into. Many mainstream economic and political commentators talked about the 
financial challenges coming in waves: the first wave affected the financial 
services sector exclusively, then that has washed over into other parts of the 
economy. The full force of that tsunami hasn’t yet been felt in the arts: the 
robust nature of our ticket sales is evidence of that, and sponsorship and 
donations, albeit in different proportions, are nevertheless holding up well. 
What we will be facing into the future is anyone’s guess. Into that future the 
arguments I need to be using are more about the economic and social benefits, 
the financial returns that not only this festival but the whole portfolio of 
Edinburgh’s festivals can provide to the economy and social life of the UK. It’s 
a false economy to suggest that taking money away from the festival will solve 
the fundamental challenges facing the economy today: giving a pound to me means 
I turn it into five or six! Reducing that by a pound means that that multiplying 
effect will itself be reduced. The arts are never a massive part of any kind of 
economic rectification because we don’t cost a lot in comparison to, say, 
education, health or defence. We represent extremely good value, yet there are 
some people who certainly think that the arts are an optional extra. In pure 
economic terms we can demonstrate how we return a direct and indirect benefit to 
the societies and communities in which we operate.”
Mills is optimistic about the general cultural health of the UK, but remains 
critical of the way the media tell that story. “In cultural terms there is 
nothing wrong with what is happening on the ground in the UK: it’s inspiring, 
diverse, it’s fantastic! But the stories we choose to tell about each other are 
very selective, very distorted and, I believe, tell a much less rich and more 
selfish story than the one that could and should be told. I’m not going to sit 
back and suggest that I should buy into that same argument. I’m suggesting that 
the media should stop and pause for a moment and think about what is valuable 
rather than simply glibly filling a column inch here or there in a facile or 
simplistic way.”
At the end of our discussion, however, he was keen to stress that “a festival is 
not a place just for over-intellectual discourse: it’s a place for a great deal 
of fun, of spontaneity and exuberance. You should bring your sun-tan lotion to 
the Edinburgh Festival this year because there’s going to be a lot of heat 
generated, even indoors in our theatres. There’s going to be a lot of creativity 
and a lot of inspiration to be gathered from the cultures we have brought 
together in this very diverse, appealing, differently textured and coloured 
festival: a festival that explores a remarkable journey from rainforests to 
coastline, from vast oceans to intimate imaginative territories. We have an 
extraordinary array of creative ideas on display in Edinburgh this year, so come 
and experience for yourself all of the visceral, physical raw energy: the 
dancers from Brazil, the choreographers and Shaman from New Zealand, the 
musicians and novelists from Australia, the theatre-makers and writers from the 
US, the musicians from Mexico... There is an incredibly rich, sexy story to be 
told, one which is very immediately vibrant, and I can’t wait for August to come 
so the Festival can begin.”
The Edinburgh International Festival 2010 runs from Friday 13th 
August to Sunday 5th September. Full details of the programme can be 
found at
 
    
   
www.eif.co.uk. Public booking is now open. 
For our preview of the Festival see 
here.
Simon Thompson
 
 
 

