Cecil Armstrong Gibbs
              Born: Great Baddow in Essex 10th 
                August 1889
              Died: Chelmsford 12th May 1960
              
               
               
              
               
              I spoke to the composer Richard Stoker about 
                his early meeting with Armstrong Gibbs over 50 years ago. He also 
                gives his thoughts on Gibbs and his music, the plight of British 
                composers in the 20th century, and some oral history on the social 
                and musical scene in Pontefract in the late 1940s. 
               John France
               
              
              Richard Stoker (right) as a school 
                boy in Castleford
               
              Richard Stoker, your first and only meeting with 
                Cecil Armstrong Gibbs was in the West Riding market town of Pontefract. 
                You were about 9 years old and a budding musician. 
              As far as I remember, and it is about 55 years 
                ago now, Armstrong Gibbs was the Adjudicator at the Pontefract 
                Competitive Music Festival, circa 1948, and I may also have been 
                examined by him at an earlier or later date at Pontefract for 
                an Associated Board grade examination. He seems to have been a 
                familiar figure when he was visiting the North as an adjudicator, 
                or so I was told at the time and frequently since. The 
                adjudication took place at either the old Assembly Rooms or as 
                part of the music festival in the ancient Town Hall. On the day 
                of the competition I remember I was dressed in the usual shorts 
                and pink or blue gingham shirt, and sandals.
              I arrived with my father and mother at our 
                favourite restaurant and tearooms called Wordsworths. It always 
                smelt of Brown Windsor soup that I adored to eat and to smell. 
                It was a couple of minutes after nine in the morning -- the church 
                clock had just struck. We ordered coffee and biscuits from the 
                waitress, smartly dressed with a spotless white napkin over her 
                arm, when a distinguished older man sat down at the next table. 
                He looked very shy but at the same time kind and extremely confident; 
                he stooped a lot, what they then called a professorial stoop. 
                After placing his leather briefcase at his feet he nodded to us, 
                but said nothing. I sipped my white coffee thinking how much better 
                it was than the wartime sweet and gravy-like 'Camp' we all drank 
                at home in those days. Our neighbour ordered a large cooked breakfast: 
                it looked like a mixed grill, plus toast and coffee. I think he 
                may have started with a large half of grapefruit. When the girl 
                returned with the piping hot meal our neighbour was already reading 
                The Times, with adverts all over the front page. I thought 
                he would be up for the races as he was dressed in a thick check 
                green tweed suit, with a cream-coloured handkerchief floating 
                out of his top pocket; both tie and hanky were pure silk, I noticed. 
                He would take out the handkerchief and wipe his nose, then put 
                it back. I was very nervous about the coming ordeal at the festival. 
                I remember my father saying the usual thing that you can only 
                do your best and he expected nothing more -- or so he said. Our 
                neighbour lingered over his breakfast and newspaper as if on holiday 
                and with all the time in the world. He kept leaning back in his 
                wooden Windsor armchair to turn the huge pages of his newspaper, 
                snorting and sniffing a bit. My father hadn't even noticed him, 
                but like me my mother had. She asked my father who he thought 
                the stranger might be. My father answered her: 'How should I know, 
                someone up from the South ... London no doubt.' Next time the 
                waitress appeared to clear our cups, saucers and plates my mother 
                whispered to her: 'Who's that man?' nodding at the next table. 
                'Oh, he's the Music Festival adjudicator. He always stays here.' 
                (There were bedrooms for hire above, which always seemed intriguing 
                to me.) Now I felt even more nervous than before. 'He'll be adjudicating 
                your class, Richard,' my mother said. As we left my father said 
                he had to see his solicitor, something that he always did when 
                in Pontefract, two miles from our home in Glasshoughton. He'd 
                meet us for lunch again at Wordsworths, and he shouted 'Good Luck' 
                to me. My mother took me across the road; we turned right at the 
                ancient Butter Cross where I loved to play, and through the empty 
                open Market Square (I think it was a Friday), and then left again 
                towards the Town Hall. I remember her saying that he looked a 
                nice, very friendly man and told me not to worry. 
              Now to most people Pontefract conjures up images 
                of a rather famous liquorice confection. However, I have looked 
                at the local website and see that there is quite a lot going for 
                this town, including a rather impressive castle. 
              You mean Betjeman's witty 'In The Liquorice 
                Fields at Pontefract My Love and I Did Lie'.  Yes, there 
                were liquorice sticks, liquorice All Sorts, etc. all manufactured 
                there, I remember eating lots of it, including pieces like dark-shag 
                pipe tobacco -- I think some old men and women smoked this variety 
                too. I couldn't eat any of it now, perhaps one piece the size 
                of a two pence piece for nostalgia only. There was also the local 
                rhubarb (between Pontefract and Doncaster is the very best soil 
                for rhubarb). Both were famous laxatives. Local people used to 
                'force' the rhubarb in the dark under their beds, then replanted 
                it. Pontefract Castle, which was built in Norman times, has been 
                a ruin since the Civil War. It remained in Tudor hands all through 
                the Wars of the Roses, even though all the Yorkists lived around. 
                It is built on a solid rock and until the Cromwell period was 
                impregnable. I used to play there from the age of about two; later 
                I discovered and played in the very damp dungeons where Richard 
                II was murdered (starved to death or poisoned). Later I saw one 
                or two productions of Shakespeare's Richard II on the grass 
                tennis courts: one was given by the local King's School, another 
                was given by a cast drawn from the Quaker school at nearby Ackworth, 
                where the Victorian Liberal MP John Bright had studied, and 
                for both productions the dungeons were used as the offstage area 
                and dressing rooms. Later I played tennis on the grass tennis 
                courts as a member of the Pontefract Tennis Club: I remember how 
                slowly the ball moved on grass. I was named after Richard the 
                Lionheart, but the other two Richards have always fascinated me, 
                especially the Plantagenet period itself. The Tudors certainly 
                valued 'their' castle. When not playing or watching the tennis 
                I would wander off down a path where I came to two unmarked tomb-like 
                lead coffins. I liked to jump about on them and jump off them. 
                Later I found they contained the remains of two Plantagenets executed 
                at the castle: Lord Grey, the uncle of the remarkable Elizabeth 
                Wyedville (or Woodville), grandmother to King Henry VIII, and 
                her brother Anthony, the 2nd Lord Rivers. I have since heard that 
                Rivers was the first person to have a book printed in Britain 
                by Caxton. (Earlier, after the battle of Wakefield, Henry VI's 
                widowed Queen, Margaret of Anjou, ordered many Yorkist nobles 
                to be beheaded at the castle.) At the small castle museum the 
                curator would allow me to dress up in the very heavy armour said 
                to have belonged to one of these men or even to Richard II. So 
                Pontefract and the ruined Castle are both rich in history. In 
                fact, on a visit to Hampton Court the first painting I saw was 
                an oil on wood of Pontefract Castle, dated circa 1500. It gave 
                me a shock to see it there, but the castle being always in Tudor 
                hands explains the connection. 
              Could you give me a flavour of this town in the 
                immediate post-war period? I think this could be of interest to 
                record for its own sake. 
              Pontefract is now famous as the extremely cold 
                place where the WAAFs were recruited, at the old barracks, where 
                they all slept or tried to sleep, on camp beds in the drill hall. 
                To girls from the south it seemed next to nowhere, so the early 
                prisoners at the castle would have found it even worse. The Second 
                World War hardly changed Pontefract: I mentioned the ancient Butter 
                Cross on the open market square. I believe Charlotte Bronte's 
                husband, after her death, sold some furniture from Haworth Parsonage 
                at the open market, for we had a chair and a small footstool from 
                there. My father and uncle were photographed in the chair around 
                1905 and I use the footstool to rest my feet when working on my 
                music. Pontefract also has the distinction of being the first 
                place where the ballot box was used for elections (in the 1870s). 
                Ropergate is a lovely street with the better shops and a cinema 
                called the Crescent. When I was about eleven a new, modern chapel 
                was built, designed by a Mr Poulson who lived locally. The only 
                drawback was that my uncle had to make do with a grand piano instead 
                of a pipe organ, but there was a small pedal organ in the crypt 
                where after the main service I would accompany the communion. 
                At the Assembly Rooms there is a huge bas-relief in sculptured 
                plaster of The Death of Nelson, based on the painting by 
                Daniel Maclise. Some classes at the music festival were held here 
                or at the town hall, so there was frequent movement about. A favourite 
                place was the Valley Gardens behind the Infirmary; these gardens 
                and the hospital were built over a recently discovered Roman historical 
                site. The Parish Church had as organist Noel Gaye, composer of 
                'The Lambeth Walk' -- the concert agency is named after him. My 
                father bought a C. Bechstein piano for me from a surgeon who worked 
                at the Infirmary who had previously bought it from Noel Gaye. 
                Pontefract, sheltered as it is under the great rock of the ruined 
                castle, was such an historical haven of rest near so much industry, 
                the close proximity of the mines was hardy noticed, nor the pipe-smoking 
                miners themselves who seemed to avoid the town; this confused 
                me as a boy of about 10 or so. Pontefract seemed hardly affected 
                by the war itself, it was even quite a pleasure for me to use 
                my ration book there, it seemed almost a cathedral town, and making 
                ends meet had almost become a pleasure if you could spend a day 
                in such a lovely old town as Pontefract.
              I know that you were interested in cricket as 
                well as music: did you know that Gibbs played the game until he 
                became too infirm? He then turned to bowls. 
              That really does sound familiar from the distant 
                past. He was a countryman, and cricket and bowls are both played 
                in the heart of the country, often near a country pub. It's very 
                believable really. Do any titles of his pieces reflect these interests? 
                It's surprising how many 20th century composers have played squash 
                and tennis. Squash is often popular because you can be back at 
                your desk in under an hour and it's useful to have the shower! 
                It is funny you mentioned cricket because I often drew cricketing 
                symbols on my piano scores to remind me of things to do: bails, 
                bats, balls, pads, stumps etc. Armstrong Gibbs, looking over my 
                shoulder, asked why these were there and he must have been interested 
                in the cricketing symbols, being a cricketer himself. At this 
                time I became a member of various societies at Pontefract: The 
                chess club, the tennis club -- hard courts, but as I said I preferred 
                to play in the Castle grounds, on grass, weather permitting. I 
                also played bowls occasionally. The Photographic Society, where 
                the members still used old box cameras and whose average age was 
                about sixty-five, were very snooty, resenting a young boy in their 
                midst; they seemed to be all men too, but I persevered there for 
                about a year. One Sunday my father announced: 'Come on, we're 
                going out to somewhere special', and it turned out to be two rounds 
                of golf (18 holes) at the famous Pontefract golf course near the 
                racecourse. My father, who was a member, wore his plus-fours. 
                But it was my membership as a Yorkshire Colt of Castleford Cricket 
                Club that gave me the most pleasure, for one summer evening I 
                had the good fortune to bowl against the young Brian Close, recently 
                back from his first tour of Australia for England, during which 
                our senior players, Yorkshire ones too, had failed to encourage 
                Close, who was hardly out of his teens. What an experience that 
                was for me! 
              As I said earlier, CAG was adjudicating a music 
                festival - this implies that there was a vigorous local musical 
                interest. Can you tell me something of this?
              The musical interest was marginal, coming as 
                it did from the churches and chapels, the private teachers and 
                some schools. But the real local musical interest came from the 
                collieries - brass bands, even bell ringing, the local Gilbert 
                and Sullivan Society in nearby Castleford, called The Old Legioleans 
                after the Roman name for the town. It was here that I sang bass 
                or tenor in the chorus, and sometimes conducted the rehearsals 
                in the local Grammar School. I remember our productions of Patience 
                and Haddon Hall. I spent the breaks looking at Henry 
                Moore's first carving in wood of the World War One memorial plaque 
                on his grammar school's wall. The bridge at Castleford had been 
                the only way across the River Aire to the North and Scotland at 
                one time, the old Roman Road that came from Finchley Road, up 
                Watling Street, through St Albans, Knottingley through Castleford 
                then on up to Edinburgh. Castleford and Pontefract are exactly 
                midway between the two great cities, London and Edinburgh. So 
                the music scene wasn't all centred at the Town Hall and Assembly 
                Rooms but in the parks, schools, night schools, choir stalls etc. 
                There's even a Folk and Dance society now, with Morris dancing 
                performed in the open air in the Castle grounds. As far as the 
                music was concerned the standards varied greatly. But it is a 
                fact that the Examiners were most impressed by the industrial 
                places in Britain, the entrants worked harder and took the whole 
                thing more seriously. Often the best results and standards come 
                from the industrial places, there is perhaps a higher concentration 
                on the artistic side of life as a compensatory factor to the often 
                drab environment. So Armstrong Gibbs could enjoy both sides of 
                his life and it was perhaps a satisfaction to him and an inspiration 
                for his creative work.
              What were you doing at the Festival? I assume 
                that you had been entered for the piano section.
              Yes, both the solo and the duet classes.
              Which pieces did you play? 
              Mostly set pieces by Adam Carse etc, later 
                Mozart and Beethoven were popular. I seem to remember an Armstrong 
                Gibbs piece was set more than once, but not when he was adjudicating. 
                I remember a Brahms Hungarian March was popular in the Duet sections, 
                also a Liszt Hungarian Dance. I played the Minute Waltz of Chopin, 
                getting it fast enough to just fill the minute.
              Who was your teacher at that time? What works 
                did you have to study? And how did piano study differ in the 1950s 
                to the present day? 
              My father's cousin, who I always called Uncle 
                Harry, George Henry Howdle, who had gained an LRAM from the Royal 
                Academy and a Fellowship from the Trinity College in London. At 
                Pontefract he was the local music teacher. He taught me the piano 
                and general musicianship, also looking at my early efforts in 
                composition. He couldn't see any further than Debussy, who seemed 
                avant-garde to him. Earlier he had accompanied such singers as 
                Elsie Suddeby, Kathleen Ferrier and Isobel Bailey. Besides the 
                piano he taught singing, the organ and trained the Chapel choir, 
                which I helped by conducting for him while he accompanied them 
                on the grand piano or church organ. Harry had come across Armstrong 
                Gibbs as examiner and adjudicator and once invited him over to 
                the church to conduct our chapel choir in one of his own part 
                songs. That was greatly encouraging. Also Harry had seen him often 
                throughout the week at the Festival when he himself had been asked 
                to accompany the singers in the vocal classes. I remember Armstrong 
                Gibbs examining pianists and singers at my uncle's house opposite 
                the park and having lunch with him and my aunt. When my uncle 
                died, I was invited to take over his many pupils: they were just 
                taking their Associated Board exams. When the Examiner came: Watson 
                Forbes, from London's RAM, this time, he took one look at the 
                Certificates on the music room wall. 'Oh', he said to my aunt 
                Mary, 'This must be your late husband's Diploma', pointing to 
                the LRAM one, then spotting the other from Trinity, he said: 'and 
                this must be yours, my dear'. 'No,' she said, 'they're 
                both his'. I was aged 13 at the time. When I met Watson ten years 
                later I didn't mention it. By then I had begun teaching at the 
                RAM in almost the same way, invited to take over from the Russian-born 
                composer Manuel Frankel who had died suddenly: his pupils were 
                also about to take their yearly exams. Eerie, isn't it?  
              What pieces did you play at the Festival - I think 
                I recall you mentioning the Sonata No. 5 by Beethoven.
              Yes, that work was at a later date in the Open 
                Class, all ages. I can't remember the exact pieces, I know I played 
                a solo, then in the afternoon a piano duet. I believe both were 
                recorded by a 78rpm-recording machine hired from Manchester: I 
                still have a copy of the 10-inch disc.
              How well did you do? Did you win any awards or 
                commendations this time? 
              I seem to remember coming third in the morning 
                and second in the afternoon. Someone said 'He'll be a composer, 
                they often come second or third in the performing classes'.
              Did CAG play the piano at the Festival? If so, 
                can you recall anything about his playing?
              Yes, he demonstrated parts of pieces to each 
                of us and in the open class performed a movement of a Sonata to 
                an elderly man who looked bored and uncomfortable, as if he thought 
                he knew best. On the other hand Armstrong Gibbs' playing was extremely 
                musical, with great feeling. He sat at the grand piano very relaxed, 
                with straight back and slightly sideways. I noticed ten years 
                later that this was how the song composer Michael Head (who had 
                become my friend by then) and was eleven years younger than Gibbs, 
                would sit when playing, often providing his own silk cushion for 
                comfort. Both of them frequently looked round at the audience 
                and at the performers. 
              How did CAG strike you - was he a severe-looking 
                gentleman - bearing in mind he was nearly sixty at the time?
              Not severe at all: he was relaxed, kindly and 
                smiling. You could tell how experienced he was as an examiner 
                and adjudicator. He used terms such as 'my boy' quite often. He 
                was never fussy but in complete control. His humour came from 
                the musical situation, and was never forced or artificial. He 
                was not in any way a showman like later adjudicators were. Armstrong 
                Gibbs knew why he was there, taking the musical and educational 
                side very seriously indeed. He was a professional to his fingertips. 
                The viola player Bernard Shore reminded me of him in many ways, 
                easy to talk to, never brusque, ready to advise the younger person 
                when asked. Before we leave the subject of the Festival, it's 
                interesting to note that this year, 2003, is the Pontefract and 
                District Music Festival's centenary year. 
              Gibbs' biographer Angela Aries has said that he 
                was a countryman at heart and did not really take to the pizzazz 
                of city life. All the paraphernalia of the rural life appealed 
                to him. Is this how he struck you? 
              That's absolutely true: he looked out of place 
                examining. That's why I thought he was up for the races or golf 
                or even hunting. He was like a country squire. When anyone called 
                me squire later on, such as a bank manager, I always thought of 
                him. 
              Did CAG speak to you at this time or make any 
                comments on your musicianship?
              Yes, he was very encouraging. I remember if 
                it was a young candidate playing, he would sometimes leave the 
                high central podium and come over, climb the stage and when you 
                neared the end he would be ready to say something encouraging 
                or demonstrate something on the keyboard. (It seemed to me he 
                may have preferred the teacher-pupil relationship best, he was 
                after all a professor at the Royal College). This seemed a new 
                departure from the usual approach. He commended the way a phrase 
                had been played; his criticism was totally without sarcasm, and 
                never severe. One could tell he was an inspired teacher. 
              Can you recall how he spoke to the other candidates?
              He had a different approach to each candidate, 
                according to age and ability. He seemed to like the younger ones 
                best. In the open classes he spoke to the older candidates more 
                critically, avoiding any argument very cleverly. He would go up 
                on stage to accompany singers and instrumentalists if the accompanist 
                was late or away. He spent little time writing reports and was 
                on stage very quickly. I remember he announced with mark sheets 
                flapping in his hand rather formally, 'I will now make my assessments 
                of the candidates'. He spoke slowly and clearly without a regional 
                accent, very much like Sir David Willcocks' diction. There was 
                not a trace of excitement in his voice, just matter-of-factness 
                and professionalism. The Yorkshire audience loves this. No histrionics 
                or razzmatazz here. 
              After the war he reformed the Danbury Choral Society 
                and renewed his associations with the Festivals Movements. Around 
                the time he visited Pontefract he was heavily involved in preparation 
                of music for the Mother's Union Worldwide Conference of 1948 and 
                planning his input to the Festival of Britain celebrations. Do 
                you remember any of this being mentioned? 
               
               I am certain he referred to the Festival of 
                Britain: it was the first I had heard of it and it was quite exciting, 
                something to look out for and perhaps visit. The Mother's Unions 
                were especially strong then, I remember my mother and aunt 
                going to these events and even one my mother went to, to hear" 
                Odette" speak. My mother was quite excited about that meeting 
                and talked of it for weeks. I think we read about the Danbury 
                Choral Society in the Daily Mail, here we also read about 
                the conference. He kept a good rapport with the audience, not 
                so much by telling stories but by explaining the music. I seem 
                to remember him encouraging applause after a good performance. 
                
               
              Why do you think he was invited to Pontefract?
              It was the most important Festival after the 
                Mrs Sunderland Festival at Huddersfield which I later adjudicated. 
                So he would visit Pontefract regularly, both as an adjudicator 
                and as an examiner. The musicologist Professor Denis Stevens CBE 
                recently told me that Gibbs visited his own school - The Royal 
                Grammar School, High Wycombe, Bucks in 1938. Armstrong Gibbs came 
                to examine the boys in music; he was remembered as a cheerful, 
                outgoing, friendly man who was extremely musical and an inspiration 
                to them all. So Denis Stevens and I have this fact in common; 
                Armstrong Gibbs encouraged us both in our formative years, although 
                there is sixteen years' difference in our ages. Armstrong 
                Gibbs was very popular at Pontefract because of his experience 
                and age, also the fact that he was a composer made it something 
                special. The hard-headed Yorkshire men and women always wanted 
                the best, they still do now, but finances come into it more, and 
                they want the TV celebrity more than the academic expert, often 
                someone they themselves can relate to. It was quality first, then 
                personality, and finally, as the young and gifted were involved, 
                kindliness. 
              Until recently, my only knowledge of Armstrong 
                Gibbs' music was of a few of his solo songs and a couple of organ 
                works.
              Actually Gibbs was very much a 'people's' composer, 
                producing much 'utility music' for amateurs. This fits in well 
                with his dedication to the Festival movement, doesn't it? 
              I knew the songs and piano works, also some 
                choral works. Like myself he seemed to prefer a cappella writing, 
                often SATB too. Works that I remember are: 'While the Shepherds 
                Were Watching', a carol with words by Benedict Ellis, SATB (1955), 
                'Now Israel May Say, and That Truly', SATB (c1937), 'The Gift', 
                a choral mime, for narrator, women's chorus, miming troupe, strings 
                and piano, words by Benedict Ellis, and the beautiful 'Anthem 
                for Easter - Most Glorious Lord of Lyfe', words by Edmund Spenser 
                (c1932). Songs include: 'The Ballad of Semmerwater' (Curwen-Elkin), 
                'Gipsies' (OUP), 'Five Eyes', 'A Song of Shadows', 'The Fields 
                are Full' (all three Boosey & Hawkes), 'Lyonesse' (Elkin), 
                'The Witch', 'The Splendour Falls', 'Fulfilment', 'The Oxen', 
                'Titania', 'Tom o'Bedlam', 'The Wanderer', 'Hypochondriacus', 
                'Philomel', 'The Lamb and the Dove' (all Thames/Elkin). There 
                is incidental music to The Oresteia trilogy of Aeschylus 
                composed for Cambridge in 1921, and music for Maeterlinck's The 
                BetrothaI (see the humorous article 'Alarms and excursions', 
                by Armstrong Gibbs on this work's gestation, which appeared in 
                Composer magazine No 16, July 1965, reprinted from the 
                Composers' Guild Bulletin No 18, March 1957). I have also 
                heard on Radio 1 or 2 two finely crafted and tuneful chamber music 
                works. In this way he resembles another highly inspired, tuneful 
                and undervalued composer, Gordon Jacob. 
              I know that CAG wrote a number of works for the 
                stage - both operas and incidental music. In fact, to a certain 
                extent this is how he made his name. He wrote the music for Crossings, 
                a children's play written especially for Gibbs by Walter de la 
                Mare. Also did you ever come across some of his comic operas - 
                one of them was to a libretto by A.P.Herbert, The Blue Peter, 
                and perhaps the harlequinade Midsummer Madness, by Clifford 
                Bax. In fact this last work had 115 performances before it closed.
              I seem to remember some of his music being 
                broadcast on the enterprising Home Service - Childrens' Hour. 
                David Davis, himself a fine pianist, featured much inspired music, 
                usually as signature tune music. 
              He wrote a 'television' opera, Mr Cornelius, 
                in 1952/3 for performance on the BBC. However it was rejected. 
                This hurt the composer deeply and I believe he did not turn his 
                hand to the medium again. Did this fit in with the BBC's policy 
                to ignore 'conservative' composers at this time? 
              I am sure it was about this time, following 
                the Festival of Britain year, that things changed, melody was 
                discouraged and communication was no longer a priority at the 
                BBC. The competition between works is very great. What a pity 
                his opera wasn't broadcast on television: it would have been one 
                of the very first new British operas screened. I seem to remember 
                an Arthur Benjamin opera was the first commissioned for television. 
                Both composers died the same year - 1960. 
              Armstrong Gibbs went to the Lake District during 
                the war, due to his house being requisitioned for the war effort. 
                After the death of his son in Italy he wrote his Westmoreland 
                Symphony, no. 3, which to my mind is one of his finest works. 
                Have you come across it?
              Yes, I heard it broadcast about five years 
                ago now. I was very impressed by its English pastoral quality 
                and its length and substantiality: no mean feat to write so expansively. 
                It reminded me in some respects of another work of a similar nature, 
                Alan Bush's Nottingham Symphony, but the Gibbs is more laid back. 
                Perhaps it's the countryman writing alongside the city man. I 
                think the broadcast I heard was from a CD recording on the Marco 
                Polo label, recorded by the National Orchestra of Ireland conducted 
                by Andrew Penny. 
              However, one of his best known works is in the 
                genre of so-called 'light' music. There was a time when every 
                orchestra at the pier end or on the promenade must have been playing 
                Armstrong Gibbs' Dusk. I have a piano copy of this work 
                and often enjoy its quiet sentimentality. However I think it is 
                sad that many people will know the 'tune' but not the composer. 
                
              Yes, I heard it at many resorts such as Lytham 
                St Anne's, Filey, Scarborough, Bridlington, St Ives and Helston. 
                You are right about the light music, this could have added to 
                the neglect of Armstrong Gibbs in recent years. He was a versatile 
                composer, but it's easy to get pigeon-holed in the arts, as elsewhere. 
                
              Many critics regard Gibbs' Choral Symphony Odysseus 
                as being his masterpiece. It was written during the war, but 
                had to wait until 1946 for its first performance. Did you ever 
                hear it, or perhaps hear tell of it?
              I've certainly been told how fine it is, but 
                can't remember hearing it.
              Why do you think that he has been largely ignored 
                as a composer over the years? My own view is that he was a somewhat 
                conservative composer who was somehow running against the spirit 
                of the times. 
              You are quite right. There is another reason 
                to my mind that it is not one person or one institution to blame 
                for the neglect of composers, but I suspect it goes back a very 
                long way, neither is it fashion - as the latter changes from day 
                to day. No, what composers have suffered over the last 150 years 
                is nothing to do with the above. I would trace it back to Edward 
                Hanslick or even further back to the Schubert period. Look how 
                the composers Delius and Schubert were treated after their deaths. 
                I could name at least two composers who died of AIDS and are neglected 
                now: is this due to a taboo? The history of music is populated 
                with composers who have suffered neglect due to reasons other 
                than their music, which is a shame. Their name and its associations 
                can also play a part. Parry and Stanford are the saddest examples 
                of all, together with George Dyson. Near the end of the 19th century 
                someone noticed a superficial resemblance to Brahms in Stanford's 
                music, and the die was cast. The saddest time was when our own 
                composers were castigated for liking to write melody. The Gibbs 
                generation suffered much from this: John Ireland, Frank Bridge 
                E.J. Moeran, Percy Turnbull, Arthur Somervell, Michael Head, Roger 
                Quilter, Gustav Holst, and Arnold Bax suffered most, with Gibbs, 
                Gordon Jacob, Herbert Howells, Arthur Benjamin, Cyril Scott, and 
                William Lloyd Webber, then later in the last century Gerald Finzi, 
                Alan and Geoffrey Bush, Arnold Cooke, Bernard Stevens, and the 
                film composers Bill Alwyn, Ben Frankel, Malcolm Arnold, Humphrey 
                Searle (a challenging composer if ever there was one) and Wilfred 
                Josephs, at that time all lacking broadcasts because of being 
                successful film composers. The overseas figures too: Paul Hindemith, 
                Honegger, Korngold and Zemlinsky, all suffered neglect for different 
                reasons. In our own time such inspired composers as William Mathias, 
                Tom Eastwood, David Gow, John Joubert, Alun Hoddinot, Kenneth 
                Leighton, Robert Sherlaw Johnson, Elizabeth Maconchy, Anthony 
                Milner and one of the finest, Peter Racine Fricker, spring to 
                mind. Composing simple and utility music was not popular from 
                a concert composer at that time. So Armstrong Gibbs was not a 
                single case, although I have noticed that he does not feature 
                in many reference books.
              September 2003
              Angela Aries is presently writing 
                a biography of Armstrong Gibbs. I have read a couple of chapters 
                of this in draft form and it promises to be a fascinating story. 
                This coincides with the inauguration of the Armstrong Gibbs Society, 
                which aims to further his musical memory and provide a source 
                of information. 
              
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